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  What Are Jehovah’s Witnesses Like Nowadays?

  by minimus in

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  i’ve been gone a long time.

  after my mother passed away a few years ago, i pretty much lost most contact with the witnesses.

  a couple that were family friends for many years stopped checking on me to say hello.

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  Minimus - the story is only slightly made up.

  The PIMO caved in and gave the publisher plain stamps.

  I can't tell you what really happened to the WTs - it's covered by the Official Secrets Act.
  
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  What Are Jehovah’s Witnesses Like Nowadays?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i’ve been gone a long time.

  after my mother passed away a few years ago, i pretty much lost most contact with the witnesses.

  a couple that were family friends for many years stopped checking on me to say hello.

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  Anna Marina

  Pioneer [ministry start]
  

  "Hmm ministry today, what shall I do? Who has not been seen on Zoom ever? I know, I'll write them a card."

  Card finished. Put in envelop.

  Looks at list received by email from elder detailing local businesses in need of latest Watchtower. Put 20 Watchtowers into envelopes for businesses.
  

  Problem - no stamps. Pioneer goes to post office for 21 second class stamps. Shop assistant who is undercover PIMO sells pioneer 21 stamps covered in Christmas pictures. Pioneer is annoyed and refuses the stamps and asks for plain ones. PIMO insists they have no other stamps.

  Depressed, pioneer goes home.

  [ministry end]
  
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  Time, times and half a time - nerd time

  by Anony Mous in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so, the famous 607 calculation to 1914 involves the above prophecy.

  the common explanation is that time is one unit, times is an unsubstantiated number of units.. to prove you can make it say any date, we must write it as a formula:.

  date = t + nt + 0.5t where n >= 2. so simplified:.

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  Which begs the question - if Adam was created on Day 6 and Day 6 = 1k rotations of earth round sun (aka 1 year), at what point in Day 6 was Adam created so as to begin counting his age from?

  Time in the Bible is detailed with with surpassing precision using minimal data. But you encounter an immediate issue if Day 6 is not a 24 hour period. Because you then need an event marker for when you start counting Adam's age from.

  What I mean is - Adam is alive, but his age isn't being counted yet. Planet rotates round sun but no calendar time passes. No years, no seasons, no months, no weeks, no days. Hmmm.

  (Daniel 7:25) . . .And he will speak even words against the Most High, and he will harass continually the holy ones themselves of the Supreme One. And he will intend to change times and law, and they will be given into his hand for a time, and times and half a time. . .
  

  So after Adam was created - no months? So Seth was born when? Then others are born and suddenly... there's a month!

  (Genesis 7:11) . . .In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on this day all the springs of the vast watery deep were broken open and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.
  

  So actually that 2nd month traces all the way back to Adam. There has been a 2nd month every year. So what was the 2nd month of Adam's 1st year of life? When was it? And when was the 17th day of the 2nd month of the first year of Adam's life?
  
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  Time, times and half a time - nerd time

  by Anony Mous in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so, the famous 607 calculation to 1914 involves the above prophecy.

  the common explanation is that time is one unit, times is an unsubstantiated number of units.. to prove you can make it say any date, we must write it as a formula:.

  date = t + nt + 0.5t where n >= 2. so simplified:.

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  Please take into account that Watchtower does not take 12 months (365 days) to be one year. Twelve months is at least 8 years, sometimes. Ok.
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  Return From ISIS

  by frozen2018 in

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  i'm watching pbs's frontline.

  the story, "return from isis," is about an american woman who went to syria with her husband who was a isis soldier.

  now she wants to return to the states.

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  WT's false doctrines can be traced back to Theo Sufism. A woman called Blavatsky was leader of this movement for a time. Is it just a coincidence that she wrote a book called Isis Unveiled? I don't know.
  

  Here is some info about the book
  

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis_Unveiled
  
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  My new definition of cult.

  by Yomama in

  1. jw
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  forcing someone to believe something that is untrure and shunning them if they do not believe it.

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  So what is a 'deity'?

  A football club? A religion that says there is no God? A religion that says you are God?
  

  If a religion is disorganized is that ok? But if you are your own God and you are disorganized... how do you do your weekly shop?
  
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  My new definition of cult.

  by Yomama in

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  forcing someone to believe something that is untrure and shunning them if they do not believe it.

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  Pistolpete said

  NO ONE WOULD JOIN IF JWs WERE HONEST FROM THE BEGINNING

  But the problem is that some know it is a lie and others are fooled. I know people who have brought people in who did not realise it was a con. Then, even the person they brought in, throws them out.
  

  So if an innocent person is conning you it points to the fact that understanding is the issue. Watchtower clouds understanding.
  

  A person taking the study MAY NOT UNDERSTAND IT IS A CON. The person who is having the Bible study cannot imagine it is a con.

  When a person joins they think they are being helped to understand the Bible not abdicate their powers of reason to a group of people who will exploit them.
  
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  The Mysterious Missing Islam.....

  by snare&racket in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've discussed this before but not in this context alone.. i remember being about 14 years old, 1994 and starting a study in the uk with a charming muslim from the congo.

  he was a very pleasant middle aged guy with a big family, two wives, always the most hospitable.

  at the time the watchtower had a book on many religions, a thick red book called 'mankind's search for god' so i would read and discuss the section on islam with him.. interestingly, but not surprising, many details they had were wrong about islam and he would explain how and correct me.

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  Change time, times and half a time from 3.5 to 7.5 and divide 1260 by 7.5 = 1176 and then do a day for a year and you can get from 607 BCE to 570 AD - the birth of the Mohammed.

  Replace Bible with a couple of magazines and don't let anyone keep back copies of the mags. In time replace mags with broadcast called Koran-t-truth. Don't let anyone watch old broadcasts.
  

  Tell everyone God's a bit of a footballer - he has goals but no plans. Sometimes he has to change his entire strategy to accomodate unforesee emergencies.

  Tell publishers they are all of the Aladdin Class - getting new light for old.

  Job done.
  
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  My new definition of cult.

  by Yomama in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  forcing someone to believe something that is untrure and shunning them if they do not believe it.

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  Constantly changing teachings - issues that are difficult to grasp and deliberately made even more difficult to produce mental fog. That is what comes from the top. A fog to prevent understanding, a fog to prevent getting accurate knowledge.

  Within the uncertainty of that fog a forceful attempt is made to get individuals to abandon their own powers of reason and defer to 'big brother' who 'knows better', owns the platform and will speak for everyone and many not be contradicted.

  The Greek term for Jesus' disciples was the 'mathete' - it means one who is able to get accurate knowledge.

  Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. His disciples were able to get accurate knowledge. They were able to get understanding.

  The the prevention of an individual's understanding is what cults do.
  

  (John 8:31-32) . . .And so Jesus went on to say to the Jews that had believed him: “If you remain in my word, you are really my disciples, 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.. . .
  

  Also they remove freedom of Christian speech.
  
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  Anybody Here That Still Wouldn’t Take or Give Blood?

  by minimus in

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  i would think that the first thing to go for ex jws is the blood ban.

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  would you take a transfusion or give blood now!.

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  Is that before or after the bottle of Glenfidich?